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Post by ukipa on May 3, 2014 17:48:06 GMT 4
I am curious.
Can someome share with me the truth why so many Internet brokers are peddling the sale and purchase of historical bonds (Chinese, Mexican, et cetera)?
Is anyone really buying them at the prices mentioned in the web (hundreds of millions per historical bond)?
Please share.
Best wishes to one and all.
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Post by cml1234 on May 8, 2014 4:35:31 GMT 4
Actually, there are suckers buying these.
Just saw a pink sheet shell scam claiming to have $3 Billion worth of bonds. Someone bought these for like $800,000 and was "leasing" them out.
The Securities and Exchange Commission came down fairly hard on the last group who tried this.
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Post by Sapphire Capital on May 8, 2014 23:33:38 GMT 4
Beside the above there are some who actually use them for structures which very much feel like a violation but are not, its a nice tool for specific value movements within a larger system, but no they do not pay what the brokers dream about. The other possibility is the people who dream to get the money, mostly American’s who still believe in the system they had in the 50's, all in all its nice wall paper, met a guy who used the old bonds as wall paper for his office, looks pretty good. My main problem with brokers offering is that they do not seem to understand that some of their colourful prints use chemical components not even thought about at the time of issuance, if you understand where I come from.....
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 21:58:49 GMT 4
UKIPA, here is the full story in Italian. I'll see later if I can provide an English summary for those who cannot handle the language of "secrets"!
IOR - La truffa del secolo alla BANCA VATICANA Intrigo internazionale per piazzare tremila miliardi di bond. Il raggiro allo Ior sventato in extremis dalla guardia di finanza
Quando gli uomini della Gendarmeria della Santa Sede hanno aperto la valigetta ventiquattr’ore non hanno potuto credere ai loro occhi. C’erano, uno sull’altro, bond del valore di duemila 866 miliardi e 366 milioni in dollari Usa, di Hong Kong ed euro, che l’austriaco ZVONKO BERDIK e lo statunitense OWEN THOMAS LENNON volevano depositare all’Istituto opere religiose (Ior), la banca vaticana. In compenso, avrebbero fatto «elargizioni generose alla Chiesa».
Documentazione ritenuta, allo stato, fasulla, ma nelle mani di due soggetti che farebbero parte di un circuito internazionale di intermediari finanziari. Un sottobosco dell’economia mondiale, portata alla luce dalle indagini del comando provinciale della Guardia di finanza di Roma, alla guida del Generale Ivano Maccani. L’inchiesta, coordinata dalla Procura della Repubblica capitolina e svolta sul campo dai militari del Primo gruppo, al comando del colonnello Daniele Sanapo, è la prima fatta in collaborazione con la Gendarmeria vaticana in materia finanziaria.
L’ipotesi sulla quale stanno lavorando gli investigatori delle Fiamme gialle è che nello Ior ci fosse un contato, anche se dai primi riscontri sulle utenze cellulari dei due indagati, accusati di tentata truffa, non sono ancora emersi riferimenti specifici.
Ma è certo che l’obiettivo fosse di depositare i bond nelle cassette di sicurezza della Santa sede, così da ottenere una garanzia di altissimo livello che gli avrebbe consentito di avere linee di credito internazionali per miliardi, così come di poter continuare con le truffe in altre nazioni.
ALLE PORTE DEL VATICANO
I fatti risalgono all’11 marzo scorso, quando Berdik e Lennon si presentano all’ingresso dello Stato del Vaticano. Raccontano che devono andare allo Ior, dove c’è un funzionario che li attende e che sono amministratori della Bedford International Financial Group, una società con sede in Canada.
Così, la Gendarmeria li invita a mostrare i documenti e ad aprire la valigetta che portavano. Ad uno ad uno Berdik tira fuori bond per migliaia di miliardi emessi dalla sua società, con le documentazioni che dimostravano la copertura degli stessi bond con titoli di stato cinesi, coreani, tedeschi della seconda guerra mondiale e dollari Usa del periodo della Depressione (1929), simili, questi ultimi, ad altri sequestrati due anni fa tra Roma e Viterbo.
Dai controlli sui titoli, inoltre, è emerso che i depositi erano in banche di tutto il mondo, compreso la Federal Reserve, la banca centrale degli Stati Uniti d’America. Il tutto, poi, era autenticato dalla firma di un notaio olandese realmente esistente.
IL PASS DIPLOMATICODELL’ONU
La svolta nelle indagini è avvenuta con l’intervento della Guardia di finanza, allertata dalla Gendarmeria in attuazione dell’articolo 22 dei Patti Lateranensi. Gli investigatori hanno individuato l’alloggio dei due, nell’hotel Michelangelo – non lontano dal Vaticano -, e hanno compiuto un’accurata perquisizione. Così, è saltata fuori una mole enorme di documenti, tra i quali tre passaporti intestati a Berdik: due olandesi, entrambi valevoli, e uno malese. Poi un pass di immunità diplomatica dell’Onu, titoli per miliardi intestati alla società canadese, carte di credito emesse da Bank of CHINA, Industrial and Commercial Bank of CHINA e BANCO BILBAO Vizcaya Argentaria (Spagna).
Tutti i titoli trovati nella camera d’albergo, inoltre, presentavano garanzie rilasciate da organi internazionali di controllo di certificazione dei broker, quale la Euroclear Dtc, un’organizzazione privata che permette la circolazione dei valori finanziari. All’interno di una borsa, invece, c’erano tutti i timbri utilizzati dai due per falsificare – a quanto attualmente risulta – tutte le documentazioni.
Infine, sono state rinvenute lettere inviate a organi internazionali, come quella spedita al presidente della BANCA CENTRALE di EL SALVADOR, in cui si parla di transazioni finanziare per 500 milioni con la BANCA MONDIALE, un’istituzione dell’ONU con sede a WASHINGTON, oltre a procedure di attivazione per la transazione con titoli emessi dalla BEDFORD INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL GROUP, autorizzati dai paesi del G20 con l’assemblea generale delle Nazioni Unite. I documenti sequestrati, però, presentano anche errori decisamente grossolani, come il nome dell’ex presidente John KENNEDY, trascritto «JON». E non solo, perché dalla traduzione dell’atto emergono, addirittura, riferimenti a «condotte criminali poste in essere dal presidente J.F. Kennedy e dal fratello Robert».
I RISCONTRI DELL’INTELLIGENCE
Particolare che ha fatto luce sulla personalità di Berdik è giunto dal ritrovamento di 5 dvd contenenti video registrati dalla polizia di HONG KONG, relativi a un suo precedente arresto per truffa. Non è chiaro come l’uomo sia venuto in possesso di quel materiale, che presenta anche i sigilli delle autorità cinesi.
Di fatto, però, sono scattati gli accertamenti dei Servizi vaticani per far luce sul personaggio che credeva, indisturbatamente, di poter depositare quel materiale allo Ior. Ed è emerso come lo stesso Berdik, la mente del duo, nel 2009 sia stato oggetto di richieste dall’INTERPOL malese di KUALA LUMPUR in merito a sospetti di frode, per essersi recato – con una seconda persona - in una banca locale in possesso di documenti falsi, simili a quelli sequestrati dalla Guardia di finanza.
Dello stesso tenore, i riscontri ricevuti dalle autorità olandesi. Nel 2010 la polizia di frontiera olandese ha respinto la richiesta di Berdik di avere un «passaporto di emergenza» per un viaggio in Malesia, in quanto dagli accertamenti svolti al Consolato olandese di Pechino era stato rilevato che non poteva ricevere alcun documento di identità poiché vi erano dubbi sulla sua reale nazionalità. Dalle analisi sulle sue utenze cellulari e su un tablet, invece, sono emersi numerosi contatti con soggetti sparsi un po’ per tutto il mondo: HONG KONG, CINA, AUSTRIA, INGHILTERRA, CANADA e, soprattutto SPAGNA.
LA BASE OPERATIVA ERA IN SPAGNA
Le indagini, comunque, non sono terminate. Gli investigatori hanno alcuni elementi che potrebbero far supporre all’esistenza di una BASE OPERATIVA con sede in SPAGNA. Secondo quanto risulta, infatti, Bedrik e Lennon sono partiti lo scorso 7 marzo con un volo della compagnia Vueling da VALENCIA.
Inoltre, stando ai riscontri sulle utenze telefoniche, la maggior parte delle telefonate sarebbero state fatte proprio in Spagna, dove, tra l’altro, risultano essere titolari del maggior numero di conti correnti in varie banche iberiche. Il dato emerge anche da documenti definiti «ordini di pagamento» e finiti negli atti d’indagine. Da questi emergono movimentazioni finanziarie per complessivi 250 milioni di euro verso GOLDEN SKY PROJECT Spain e REAL ESTATE SPAIN. Il documento è sottoscritto nella provincia di Alicante, sulla costa occidentale spagnola e poco più a sud di Valencia. Il tutto fa supporre a una regia ben articolata, che gestirebbe una serie di intermediatori.
Ivan Cimmarusti
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 22:11:20 GMT 4
UKIPA, as far as the fraudsters' names of the IOR attempted FRAUD above (see Italian article above), here they are:
'International master fraudsters' ZVONKO BERDIK, et. al....
Often times they were not really crooks but clandestine Non-Official
Cover ( NOC ) foreign government intelligence operatives working both
sides of that global muddy fence where often times the 'LEFT hand of
the law' cannot be publicly recognized by its RIGHT.
Vatican Bank Federal Reserve System ( IOR ) came into public view
recently where at-least two ( 2 ) gentlemen ( America citizen: OWEN
THOMAS LENNON ) and resident of The NETHERLANDS and MALAYSIA ( AUSTRIA
citizen: ZVONKO BERDINK )...
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Post by ukipa on May 10, 2014 16:42:50 GMT 4
Thank you "pymander" for contributing to this topic.
Best wishes.
P.I.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 23:12:12 GMT 4
Thanks Ukipa, but I am not an investor. Instead, I am interested in the principle behind - that is - as the old proverb says: "The DEVIL is in the DETAILS!" (By the way, it used to be GOD is in the details.) In other words, it is in the very nature of the DEVIL to be a "pathological liar" and to attempt to mirror what is true. But we all know the DEVIL can come only close to 99.999 of the truth and/or original and never 100%!
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Post by ukipa on May 13, 2014 23:25:14 GMT 4
UPDATE: As of this minute (May 13, 2014 12:25 EST), None of the individuals, in direct contact with me, have received the payment promised to them. However, they remain optimistic that they will be paid this week. I will keep everyone informed / updated of their progress (or lack of).
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Post by privateinvestors on Jun 27, 2016 18:56:45 GMT 4
UPDATE:
I have received information from Hong Kong, that a huge transaction to redeem historical bonds (Super Petcheli) is in progress as I type this note.
Have you heard anything yourselves?
Best wishes to one and all.
P.I.
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Post by Sapphire Capital on Jun 28, 2016 8:21:32 GMT 4
there is no such transaction, that does not mean no one will make money but its not a redemption
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Post by privateinvestors on Jun 28, 2016 13:45:17 GMT 4
there is no such transaction, that does not mean no one will make money but its not a redemption Thank you for sharing your comments with me. However, I have comments from 3 different individuals, totally independent from one and another, who have made this comment. The 3 are holders of Super Petchili bonds and two are in Hong Kong and one of them is in London, to exchange their historical bonds and get paid. One of them sent me a copy of what he received about a month ago, before he flew to Hong Kong (a few days ago). QUOTE: By now most everyone is aware of the New Closing Procedures on Bonds. The Cloud System is operational and submissions are being loaded daily for verification against the Data Base of all Historical Assets.
To expedite this process please check all submissions for a KYC with all Assets that the Holder has to redeem. If the Holder has Bond(s) and/or Bond Boxes it will expedite the process to submit a KYC for the Bond(s) and Bond Boxes and a separate KYC for the Exotic Boxes. Each must include an Excel Spread Sheet, CIS, Passport Copy, Genealogy, Fee Agreement and C & D. Within the Excel Spread Sheet, it is important to include the Location of the Assets i.e. Hong Kong, Shenzhen, Philippines, etc. Also, if the Assets are under SKR, a Copy of the SKR. It can be from a Security Warehouse or the Holders Attorney. If the Assets are in Caves, Bunkers or Tunnels, we need that information and location.
Once submissions are entered into the Cloud my Server will be authorized to make payment (close) with the Holder. He or She will be paid 20% of the total value of the Assets Presented in the particular KYC / Excel Spread Sheet and Contract. A Contract will be issued to the Holder after Compliance has cleared the submission and a call will be made to the Holder to negotiate the Contract and answer any questions or concerns. Within 7 to 10 days after the initial 20% is paid, an authenticator will contact the issuer of the SKR to verify the Assets, at that time the Balance due in the Contract will be Paid. (Intermediaries are paid when the 20% is deposited and the balance when the Contract Balance is Paid.)
For those in need of a Paymaster, Bank Accounts (On or Off Shore), Financial Advisor, Trust, Foundation and / or Tax Consultant, we are using Bessemer Trust .
Please be informed; the redemption has OFFICIALLY STARTED, but everyone has to wait their turn. No more stops and delays. Banking system up-grading is nearing completion. When up-grade is complete, funds will start moving in Australia and go around world.
This timeline of 17 hours was stated last week and is how long it takes to receive from China, which is finishing up soon. This also confirms last week's update of 4 codes per country being entered starting with the first 20 countries.
Tons of gold have been received in US to allow USD gold backed currency (UST [formally FRN]). 20 countries are in first basket per the Blue Banana and the World Bank. All is done.
Again we urge our clients to be patient as it is a very complex transaction involving China, the US treasury, the IMF, World Bank and the Federal Reserve.
The buyer of the U.S. Treasury is buying only large volume transactions of 1000+ box quantities.
These global aspects are thus also relevant for the smaller transactions.
The release of the funds was confirmed by four different sources.
Funds received from China, a large amount, the codes started, and now hope to finish shortly.... wanting at least four codes per country, starting with 20 countries that includes the USA.
The plan is to close with 1000 of the largest sellers first expected within these coming weeks.
They will then move to the next tier, and so on.
Let's be realistic, each seller wants to be first. But the buyer is now operating in multiple locations with many people at each location. This includes Hong Kong, Zurich, London, Miami, Istanbul, Taiwan, Bogota and Manila. As the funds are released, it will allow all of the staff to move more vigorously to set up closings and allow sellers a sense of relief.
We're told that there are approximately more than 25,000 packages outstanding. It will take a little time to work through these.
We urge your sellers to understand the situation and to be patient a little bit longer.
We've all been waiting for quite some time now so It won't be much longer.
END OF QUOTE. I guess in due time we will know if the above is indeed true or just a a plot from the Tourist Industry to create work for them (and profit). Best wishes.
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Post by congregatio on Jun 29, 2016 1:11:09 GMT 4
sorry the details you have relate to a hoax, there is only one game in town on those and the mechanics are different, they are not redeeming but using them as a structural cover for a very specific transaction creating a fictious cover for the introduction of large amount of currency from the gray and black market origin into the system the story above is just to keep the hype alive, my 2 cents to a story that is never ending, reminds me a lot on the Iraqi Dinar hoax
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Post by privateinvestors on Jun 29, 2016 14:49:31 GMT 4
sorry the details you have relate to a hoax, there is only one game in town on those and the mechanics are different, they are not redeeming but using them as a structural cover for a very specific transaction creating a fictious cover for the introduction of large amount of currency from the gray and black market origin into the system the story above is just to keep the hype alive, my 2 cents to a story that is never ending, reminds me a lot on the Iraqi Dinar hoax Interesting indeed. There are, at this moment, individuals traveling to Hong Kong and London, to collect on this alleged transaction. I guess I will know for sure in a week's time if the whole thing turned out to be a fiasco. Best wishes, P.I.
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Post by privateinvestors on Jul 6, 2016 22:07:10 GMT 4
July 06, 2016 status update.
I spoke with 2 of my 3 clients and as of this precise minute, none has been paid. The man in Hong Kong got a bogus excuse from the alleged individual representing the entity buying the bonds, causing an additional delay in their payment. The same story came from the man now living off a British hotel. None have been paid.
I will continue to post updates, as I receive them from overseas.
P.I.
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Post by Sapphire Capital on Jul 7, 2016 2:03:50 GMT 4
are you surprised? the only way to deal with those is esoteric, costs money and none of those people who have them are willing to pay the cost of the set up but they dream with $$$$ in their eyes.
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Post by privateinvestors on Jul 8, 2016 15:04:37 GMT 4
Copy of a message received today.
Wednesday, July 6, 2016
Gold Flat lines! GCR/RV/Gold Standard Officially Starts on 7.4.2016
Earlier this week from 1am to 8am EDT on July 4, 2016, the gold bullion spot price flat lined, which means there was no trading worldwide on gold (see 24 hour graph above).
This temporary down period or "reset" of the world markets in relation to the gold bullion spot price occurred in order recalibrate the global monetary value system per secret international gold treaty signed by 209 countries (aka The Paris Agreement on Climate Change).
What's not-so-ironic is that this happened occurred during the American Independence Day when US markets were closed for a national holiday.
The 8am EDT domestic timestamp is important because this moment begins an intentional timestamp that starts at 12:00am (NZST) in Auckland, New Zealand -- which actually begins the day across all time zones and international trading markets.
This historic moment was very subtle and nearly impossible to see, but it's what the world has been waiting for… humanity is back on the gold standard!
You can expect your redemption blessing to proceed now with great order and ease sometime on the 7/7 global banking day per Christine LeGarde's own cryptic prediction over a year ago… .
Verozinis just now sent me this..
<<< [12:21:06 AM] I sent the info post the I received from Frank via Bert to James I disagreeociate in Asia and he replied as follow
[07:04:07 AM] Thank you for above information. It looks to be July 7 for this Redemption to start.
[07:04:58 AM] we can only hope and [ray so have no confirmation yet
[07:05:45 AM] HK is saying the same thing July 7th.
[07:06:15 AM] thanks have they seen any movement?
[07:08:17 AM] It seems the funds are being released to the paymasters so that they can now release it to the necessary authorities today. And all should start by sometime tomorrow evening or so.
[07:12:31 AM] thank you
Any confirmation Elders got paid in HK?
Applicants are holders only ?
Pls be informed; the redemption OFFICIALLY HAD STARTED, but everyone have to wait for their turn. No more stops.
Banking system up-grading. When up-grade complete will start in Australia and go around world. Will take 17hours, then Gen64 starts. Funds received from China, finishing up soon.4 codes per country being entered starting with the first 20 countries. Tons of gold received in US to allow USD gold backed.20 countries in first basket per Blue World. All done by the 15th.
Again we urge our clients to be patient as it is a very complex transaction involving China, the US treasury, the IMF, World Bank and the Federal Reserve.
At present, we are realizing an exorbitantly big transaction with an end buyer of the U.S. Treasury. Our direct client in the board is one of the largest Asian royal families. Our end buyer of the U.S. Treasury buys only large volumes as of 1000 boxes. These global aspects are therefore also relevant for the smaller transactions.
The release of the funds was confirmed by four different sides
Funds received from China ……large amount.... the codes started, and hope to finish shortly. What they want.....at least four codes per country, they're starting with 20 countries that include the USA.
The plan to close with the first 1000 largest sellers and that is expected within 10 to 14 days. They will then move to the next tier, and so on.
Let's be realistic, each seller wants to be first. But the buyer is now operating in multiple locations with many people at each. This includes Hong Kong, Zurich, London, Miami, Istanbul, Taiwan, Bogota and Manila. As the funds are released, this will allow all of the staff to more vigorously set up closings and allow sellers a sense of relief.
We're told that there are approximately 25,000 packages outstanding. It will take a little time to work through these. We urge your sellers to understand the situation and be patient a little longer. We've all waited some time to be here now. It won't be much longer.
[21:24:17] Carlos z: I am utterly convinced of our purpose in being brought together and to work together for the great tasks we have ahead.
We have watched this thing thwarted time and time again over several years (particularly us long-times).
We are making great progress on the overall "education" document that will help you to position and understand these major changes being implemented. It is so important that we do as our success will depend on appropriately working with and within these powerful forces of financial effect upon our planet.
here is a summary of our current status for tonight,
FINANCIAL PROCESS IMPLEMENTATION
Two weeks ago the Bank of China (BOCA) determined that the cloud security for the historical bond transfers was simply not strong enough. This was decided particularly in light of the attacks upon the Central Banks. This was one of the delays as they are the key decision makers in the "when" this lets go.
It just wasn't good enough. So, extensive rewrite of the security within the cloud accomplished, today 6/15 is the roll-out. All those bond payments our Funder One has accumulated are going out the door, at last.
ADMIRAL'S GROUP
Due to commitments with the IMF written into the authorization documents, the exchanges for the Admiral's Group are still proceeding strongly. They are working out the kinks, certainly, and slower than I would like, but there are many now receiving.
They are running a day behind. Both, Funder one and Funder two, have people directly in the group that they are monitoring.
We have contact directly as well and expect to know when a particular individual has completed his process. He was scheduled today, but checking "up top"
I am told he should be very happy tomorrow. I will announce this important detail immediately upon receipt tomorrow, even if I am detained as today on endless calls.
EXCHANGE PROCESS
As you may imagine, the changes to the cloud for the bond releases also impact the coordinated financial software and procedures for the exchanges.
This coordination is nearly done, Thursday at the longest, I believe.
The number of people involved in this entire thing is simply fascinating. Of the 197 countries involved in revising their country debt load, 19 required special assistance this week to understand even their own legislative process in order to properly put paperwork in place.
The main difficulty has been coordinating all 197 countries to exchange at exactly the same moment. It is not something that is a "take turns" type of thing.
All countries must be ready to have exchanges and all exchange periods are going to be the same, all coordinated.
Some countries they are working with have such little internet infrastructure. These are the cause of our slow exchange meeting announcement.
Nevertheless, I believe tomorrow is the very likely candidate to receive the 800 number and/or website access. We wait and see, of course, but if you want a guestimate, that would be it.
OUR TURN
That puts us still in a Black Out estimate for Thursday or sooner. All depends on these tiny details. Man, you can feel the tension in the air all the way up. So, so much happening.
Tomorrow is going to be a Fantastic day.
P.S. There is a lot I can't tell you. It is happening. Funds are moving. Just a bit longer...I promise.
The wait has been very long. For us too. But we are very near the finish line. The Buyer has started contacting the large Sellers with boxes and large quantities of bonds.
There was a slight delay due to security reasons. But we have been told all problems have been resolved. And they are expecting to start again in the next day or two.
They are ready, money has been moved into banks all over the world. Clients will not have to travel. They will check the bond numbers to verify the Seller presenting them is the real owner, if not they will ask for history of ownership. (this is only to verify the bonds have been legally acquired)
In most cases if sellers are the registered owner of the bonds, they will call you with an offer, send the contract, when you receive the contract they will be able to see the money in a blocked account in a Top World Bank.
After signed contract is returned, they will erase the bond numbers from the register, (so no one can try to sell them again) and they will unblock the money in their account.
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Post by resistk on Oct 4, 2016 20:16:11 GMT 4
Well the above is a scam. Same nonsense that was peddled about ECB. They have plenty of their own bonds and would hardly need historic ones LOL.
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